My point (and I just found Scripture) was that Jesus did not disnounce it as badHe says (less I misunderstand) these you ought to have done without leaving the rest undone. Independent Baptist Churches is a subsite of 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man . Salvation: It is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. You are doing exactly what Mark 7:7 speaks against, you are teaching false doctrines and commandments of men. Henry Jacob. You should tithe, but if you dont thats between you and the Lord. Join us for lively old-fashioned singing, fellowship, (and yes!) Also, as a Southern Baptist, I am wondering if your fifth distinctive disqualifies my congregation, since we are members of the Southern Baptist Convention. These worldly churches still call themselves Baptists but in fact they do not believe or practice what true Baptists have historically believed and more importantly what the Word of God says. If someone just wanted to wear their socks and nothing else to Church they would probably not be allowed in most Churches. Assistant Pastor of Fellowship Baptist Church in Watertown, WI since 2017. The purpose of the Law being fullfilled we should do all good works in Christ for we are saved to do good works. Hope that last wasnt too much personal info. They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Baptists Briders, infer they can trace their history back to John the Baptist who was the first Baptist. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. Churches dont have the right to make rules about dress apart from Scriptural guidelines and principles. p.s. Anyhow he screamed through most of it (funny I never see Jesus screaming at folks, particularly His followers) told some fantastic tales, not saying he was lying, but, well you know what I mean. Thank you for visiting Home to the KJV Church directory! Also, from personal expreicnei know how it feels to be spirtually abused. Showing 1-20 of 633 church listings. The message is set. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards Thou shalt obey the pastor at all times Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman Thou shalt obey your parents at all times You people are idiots, You cant have the new testament without the old, Christ believed in and followed the old testament, this is why it says he was betrayed on the passover, because he kept the passover and all the other commandments that are in the old testament. These new believers would then, following the New Testament example, submit to believers baptism and organize a local church. Please excuse me. After working for a few hours in our home, the Dish tech stopped working and looked at me asking, Am I correct in believing this is a Christian home I am working in? I said yes. I really dont know how to describe it. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception. Ok, so Im pretty sure you are referring to the Church of Christ that was founded by good ol Thomas Campbell (1763-1854) He was a fine Scottish Presbyterian who left Ireland to come to western PA. in 1807. An Independent Fundamental Baptist church exists for the sole purpose of evangelizing the world with the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. My best friend who professes to be Christian (she attends a Southern Baptist church), is dating an evolutionist and she tells me that religion is not high up on her criteria for dating and marriage yet she will call me, upset, and say that her boyfriend is hasseling her about her faith. amzn_assoc_placement = "adunit0"; amzn_assoc_tracking_id = "lifewaymarket-20"; amzn_assoc_ad_mode = "manual"; amzn_assoc_ad_type = "smart"; amzn_assoc_marketplace = "amazon"; amzn_assoc_region = "US"; amzn_assoc_linkid = "7e0c08952d33ff8dd3379356ab6731f1"; amzn_assoc_asins = "1479180297,B00A4SKJXG,1250026261,0830816607,0809134888,0884197689,B00X531UN0,0877888256,0764205374"; amzn_assoc_title = " Book Club Picks"; The church I left about 2 years ago had very nasty tracts in the back of the church that said horrible things about other translations, calling them perversions and so forth and actually saying outright lies about other translations. However, in the midst of all this apostasy, which was the founded the Roman Catholic church, there were groups of Christians who were never a part of the Christianization of the Roman Empire. The name Protestant was given to those churches which came out of Roman Catholicism during the Reformation which began in the 1500s. It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Undenominational Churches. In 1906 there was a split with this group, some believing that there should be no musical instruments in the church (dont know where this got dreamed up, certainly didnt find it in the bible) This is when they started calling themselves the Churches of Christ. Puritan churches persecuted the Baptists in America until the U. S. Constitution was made the law of the land in 1787. Im surprised but shouldnt be by now that folks know so very little about their respective churches/traditions, most just sit in the pew and simply repeat what their pastor has told them, never checking and studying for themselves, what thus saith the Lord You act so surprised that I questioned you about which Church of Christ you were referring to, do yourself alittle favor and have a look at wikipedias lists of Churches of Christ First and foremost I wanted to make sure you werent referring to the The Church of Christ of Latter Day Saints which is a flat-out cult. In the simplest of terms a true Baptist assembly is one which follows the New Testament as his sole authority for his faith and practice. Independent churches have no organized organization over them in authority. In this sense, any church which founds itself strictly on the New Testament teachings, is a true and Biblical church, even if it existed in time, only yesterday. The line of English churches that can be traced, who called themselves Baptists, began in 1610 in Holland. 7. They all hold to a system of hierarchy in church government and do not accept the autonomy the local church. I made a very similar forgiveness plea on facebook just yesterday, asking all to forgive me if I had ever legalistically stepped on them. It seems as if the preacher thinks it is within his ability to persuade people to accept Christ or to get people to witness or whatever. Just curious. The only time I ever dressed up was for Job interviews. I read what you wrote, thats why I replied with what I wrote. What does the Bible say about the way Christians should dress? So how all USA (& most Developed Nations tithe, etc) is no different than at my IFB Church fellowship I attend. Make no mistake though baptism will never save anyone! Or, I hope that youve beaten your children today, 13Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thanks for any love shown but what you just did Kaatie was take a few lines I wrote and placed them within your own ideaand that is know as taking something out of context . Also in regards to the restcommon sense is you give according to how you deal with your values ,etc. 4:1-5, 1 Cor. God has set up a completely different program for believers in the church age. The Dutch colony of New York for a time persecuted Baptists within its territories. Secessionism is the gross error of Catholicism. Theres no recourse. Still today, many Protestants see the Lords Supper as a sacrament, having to some degree saving properties or giving some spiritual benefit. Also, I support tithing personally. Smyth died in 1612, and the church ended in Holland shortly after that with Helwy, Thomas and John Murton returning to England as persecution there had lessened. As many theologians saywe can agree to disagree on some things but when it comes to the Fundamental of the Christian Faithbased on by the way what God says in the Word, then thats when one should draw the line b/c its no longer a matter of Christians in various fellowships & preferances that are allowable but then becomes a matter of even being a Christian at all (like Mormonisn, Jehovahs Wittness, Catholics, etc). Its so important to ask Gods help in forgiving themotherwise satan can get a foothold. But this issue is just another one that the IFBs get wrong, worrying themselves over externals as opposed to the internals. In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. It certainly isnt about our adherance to a set of manmade rules. I feel silly because some of the things I stood up for on this site are the same things that made me leave. I humbly asked a question. Any idiot can do that. This is just too weird for me to not comment on. If someone leaves the church and lives a worldly life style (no church or fellowship with Christ, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, fornication, homosexuality, etc.) This kind of power is frightening to meet with. As far as I recall no church ever told me must. 3. I usually look fwd to these. Firstly, they take a denominational name: Baptist. Someone, somewhere has hurt you. I do like your nice touch of calling us idiots though. Also, you keep mentioning Jesus statement about not leaving tithing undone. 5.) Some Baptist historians, have made attempts at doing this, but in many cases refer to groups as early Baptists who did not in fact hold to pure Baptist beliefs as held today. Not one Baptist church can show in its history a direct succession from the Anabaptists. It originally applied through the 1700s to Lutherans, and Anglicans. Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they It did not produce a succession of other churches, but those who founded it went on to set up other Baptist churches in England. Lack of pastoral accountability is not the problem. (See Acts 20:28, Hebrews 13:7). In answer your assumptions about me. These churches appear to have been baptistic and remained sound until Austin, the Catholic monk brought Catholicism to the Isles in 597 AD. We are not under law. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? The first is the United Church of Christ and secondly is the one I refer to, Independent Churches of Christ. fundamental, Baptist, church. Blessings. You seems to be as blind as the Pharisees. 1:6-10, 1 Tim. From a Calvary Chapel web site: We do not maintain church membership; You must be born again spiritually to join the church of Jesus Christ, therefore membership is in the whole church of Jesus, not just our local fellowship., This practice stems from their Moses model (top down) style of church leadership. I find your post rather disturbing, but what I find most disturbing is your use of scripture. Today the name Baptist is used by many churches who are not truly following the teachings of the New Testament. It bases its belief in the New Testament teaching that every believer is a priest to himself, having full excess to God without the need to go through a church, church leader or priest. But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. G.L. We hope it will be a blessing to you. (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23) Priesthood of the Believer. Typically they take the following verse an stretched it like a balloon: By 1644, these congregations grew to seven churches. Therefore if a church is teaching Tithe is mandatory or sin if not donethey are I believe in error. People have a tendency to attempt to conceal their sin. I respect a church that weloclmes being a part of my tithe but does not mandate that I do. It should be free. Follow us on Pinterest: For IFB churches, most use this as a baseline in their giving with II Cor 9:7 for guiding in the heart of giving. @greg I believe any church that does that is potentially cultic because that means they worship the preacher rather than the Lord. Many Anabaptists churches were strong New Testament churches believing and following the Word of God. Thomas Jefferson is believed to have been deeply influenced to press for religious freedom in American, by the plight of several Baptist preachers he knew. It shows Gods promises to us and more importantly it shows us Gods fulfilled promises to the church. He returned to Salem where he was summoned before the court in Boston because of his outspoken beliefs and was banished from the colony. Have been over twenty years, and have attended probably ten or more IFB churches here in Ohio and elsewhere, and I have never met an IFB pastor who didnt include scriptures from the Old Testament as well as the New Testament, in his sermons. Drinkers go to the next town to buy their drinks. God uses us, to the extent that get out of His way. Thanks for your response. HARVEY ND 58341 (701) 324-4415 CH/HM. Hear personal testimonies and watch missionary slideshows with RealAudio narratives. Thank you for your help! Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. My statement about folks not studying and just sitting in the pew and listening to the MOG, was not addressed to you specifically, but to folks generally, you wouldnt agree to this? The old testement tithes went to the Levite priests to support them (Numbers 18). . They believe that when the Book of Revelation was completed by the Apostle John about 90-95 AD, the Word of God was complete. G.L. A logical fallacy stands alone whether in or out of context. In reference to the quote you took it wasi n explanation in regards to another point poised regarding tithing a tenth of income vs. actual agriculture and/or stock as the Jews did back thenand it was in a common sense response to the rhetoric regarding why tithe a tenth of income vs possesions being sold, etc is done by most churche sin Usa & other developed nations. this web site is dial-the-truth ministries, but I call them dial-the-. First I find your demeaning undertone disheartening. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); // sligh middle school fights, the clotting mechanism sports injuries, viscountess flora lymington,